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Published Date: 06 March 2008
Over the past few weeks we have been debating the new EU Treaty in Parliament and yesterday was the day when we voted on whether or not to hold a referendum.
Parliament decided that a referendum was costly and unnecessary. Let me explain why.

Historically, referendums have only been held where new constitutional arrangements have been proposed - most notably when Britain renegotiated its accession to the EEC in 1975. Joining the Euro would also meet this test. Referenda were also held for devolution to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly because they changed the distribution of power.

In the present debate I believe there could be two reasons for holding a referendum: (a) if the Treaty represented major constitutional change or (b) if the Treaty was significantly the same as the 2004 Constitution (upon which the Government promised a referendum).

On both points the answer is a clear NO. The UK has negotiated a series of specific exceptions and clauses, our 'Red Lines', that mean this Treaty is different from the 2004 Constitution and does not represent a transfer of power.

What are the 'Red Lines'? On Foreign and Security Policy, European Security and Defence Policy and Tax and Social Security Policy the UK has demanded unanimous decision making. This means we have a veto and if it is not felt a policy is to our advantage it will not pass.

We have secured an 'opt-out' from the Charter of Fundamental Rights because it was felt it could have undermined the competitiveness of UK businesses. The Charter is legally binding to all member states except the UK.

The Justice and Home Affairs section of the Treaty is potentially highly sensitive – affecting areas such as the role of our courts and immigration. Given our unique position as an island Nation it is vital we retain total controls on these issues and another 'opt-out' was duly negotiated.

These 'Red Lines' are the defining differences. Many critics have pointed to comments from other European leaders stating that the Treaty is "90% the same as the Constitution". In their case it may well be true – their version of the document does not include the 'Red Lines', they have not negotiated the crucial exemptions and opt-outs secured by the UK.

Now let's look at some of the claims made by critics:
Give EU new powers to tax citizens - False
Allow the EU to replace the UK seat on the Security Council - False
Provide basis for an EU Army and EU military alliances - False
Allow police from other Member States to operate on British soil - False
Open the door to changes in our social security system - False
Prevent UK from supplying oil to a non EU Nato member at a time of crisis - False

Most of the Treaty addresses issues of institutional reform such as replacing the rotating Presidency of the EU with a nominated President of the European Council, reducing the number of Commissioners so they can become a more coherent group, increasing the power of national parliaments and merging posts and representatives on foreign policy.

None of these measures give the EU more power over the UK. Indeed if anything the reverse is true as we have upped our proportion of votes in the Council of Ministers.

The sole purpose of this Treaty is to improve how the EU does the job demanded of it by national Governments like the UK: more effective decision making and improved cooperation on important international issues such as crime, human trafficking and peacekeeping.

I would also like to point out two unique and crucial elements of the Treaty. Firstly it confirms for the first time the EU as an association of sovereign nation states – countering the argument that the Treaty will lead to some kind of United States of Europe. And secondly this Treaty, again for the first time, includes an explicit exit clause that ensures the UK can leave the EU as and when it chooses.

This Treaty is good for the UK, good for Europe and does not meet any of the measures that would trigger a referendum.

I acknowledge that there are those who would prefer not to be in the EU. UKIP for example are uncompromising in that view. I think they are wrong but it is an honest view. The Tories and Lib Dems, however, claim to support EU membership but (particularly in the case of the Tories) marginalise themselves from the decision making process undermining the true interest of our nation.

Either we are 'in' or 'out' and if we are 'in' we must be a 'big player' not a 'bit part player'.

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Darryl,

Hastings 06/03/2008 09:16:45
Happy birthday Michael ; pity we can't say the same for democracy as the candles go out !

Just in case our MP has lost his copy of the New Labour Manifesto I attach the relevant quotation :

" It is a good treaty for Britain and for the New Europe. We will put it to the British People in a referendum and campaign wholeheartedly for a 'Yes' vote to keep Britain a leading nation in Europe "

Mr Foster's point is that the constitutional changes are not the same as the Constitution as was proposed prieviously. All of the major EEC leaders state that it is ! As do learned lawyers in Britain. As did a parliamentary select committee for the areas it examined. Those are the facts !

Its a sad day for democracy when we cannot believe what is written in a manifesto. It is also a betrayal of our trust given to our representatives by virtue of the election process.

Long live democracy !

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bart simpson,

06/03/2008 16:14:29
Interesting article about the..'' Sneaky Rat and the Wheelie bins''. Remarkable resemblance to a local new labour councillor in the St. Leonards Area.
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bart simpson,

06/03/2008 16:19:59
long live freedom of speech and expression!
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Darryl,

Hastings 06/03/2008 18:13:52
Bart , its not the rat in the wheelie bin that I'm worried about ..but the one that takes money from my pocket and then squanders it on all sorts of ridiculous projects. We're now the most highly taxed country in Europe now ; with little to show for it !
All the while our MP's live a lavish lifestyle whilst most people worry about council taxes , the cost of living nad ptutting food on the table.
Do you know for example that MP's can claim £400 a month for groceries perfectly legally on expenses £ Nice job if you can get it ! Not forgetting you don't need a receipt for any expenditure beloe £250 !
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bart simpson,

06/03/2008 18:37:39
Yes I agree Darryl. It's scandalous. When you think of more deserving causes in the Town. This new Labour Government and those at county and Borough level, are wasting so much money.And when you think of so many people who work in vital services, in the area and are on the minimum wage. Some don't even earn £400 per month. The amount that Foster and co spend on their luncheon vouchers and sitting in restaraunts!
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bart simpson,

06/03/2008 18:39:53
I expect Foster spent nearly £250.00 on his birthday cake. After all it did have a lot of candles on it!
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parker,

06/03/2008 20:36:12
'' Parliament decided that a referendum was costly and unnecessary''. What about what the people decide?
After all it is the people who go out and vote for the elected misrepresentatives.
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Darryl,

Hastings 07/03/2008 08:58:11
Just in case you thought that all this EEC business doesn't affect you , I was reading in the press that in about 2 or 3 years we will all be required to put our car lights on at all times whilst driving ; why ? an EEC directive ! Even when there is brilliant sunshine.

A government spokesman commented. We can't do anything about it we have to follow it.

Apparantly motoring organisations estimate that it'll cost approx 3% more in fuel. Good gfor global warming ..yes ?

Its ironic that we have the best driving safety record in Europe. Maybe we need to get worse and get our accidents up to continental levels.

After all this government have already trashed pensions ,education , health , savings , crime etc.

Aldous Huxley eat your heart ut !
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Darryl,

Hastings 07/03/2008 09:02:03
Also read that we have recently signed away our right to vetoe EEC legislation for 60 catergories.

Of course Birthday Boy would tell you that nothing has changed !

The Orwellian nightmare continues.

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Darryl,

Hastings 07/03/2008 09:04:08
Photo opportunity for Michael Foster .....

When the summer comes ..riding and waving from an opentop car in his trunks draped in an EEC flag. Go down well in the Observer !
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