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Published Date: 03 April 2008
As so often in politics there is no straightforward "yes" or "no".
When the latest Prevention of Terrorism Bill came before Parliament this week it included a new provision that would enable detention without charge for more than 28 days in exceptional circumstances. The Bill of course includes much more than that and at the second reading there was no division , that is to say that all parties allowed the Bill to pass unopposed.

In the next few weeks however we will be looking at the detail and one item of detail which is causing much controversy is the Government's wish to create a power to detain suspects for more than 28 days where in the interest of national security it is thought desirable.

As a principle it is always wrong to lock people up without a very good reason and in all other circumstances 48 hours or exceptionally 7 days is the longest that one can hold a suspect without charge. In the case of terrorism offences that was previously agreed to be too short a period. Complex international investigations sometimes need to be made and therefore it was previously agreed that the period would be 28 days. Now the Government say that sometimes that will not be long enough. There is professional dispute in that the Police tend to want a longer period whereas the Crown Prosecution Service believe that 28 days is probably enough.

The Government's proposal that in the most exceptional circumstances the Police can apply for an extension of up to 42 days but subject to very strict measures.

1.An independent adjudicator must consider whether there is an exceptional reason for applying.
2.Parliament itself must be asked to endorse the decision and that vote shall take place within 30 days (one amendment is that it should take place within 10 days).
3.In any event the Courts will supervise at all stages as to whether the exceptional circumstances provision is met.

Clearly we do not want to encourage unnecessary Police delay in bringing charges where appropriate but I do think that there will be the possibility of cases where a longer period is needed.

I will therefore be voting for the Government proposal not least because at the end of the day I would rather protect my four grandchildren from the risk of a terrorist attack than maybe wrongly hold a suspect whose freedom would be compromised. I know I would rather be locked up for 42 days than risk the life and limb of young children.

I do think there is a case for compensation where suspects are held in circumstances where it is subsequently determined to have been inappropriate but that is a separate issue.

Some say that we will become the most draconian state in Europe but that is not so. In most jurisdictions the investigatory Magistrate system allows Magistrates to carry out investigations whilst the suspect is in custody. Here we have a system of not bringing the matter to Court ie to make a charge until the Police and/or the CPS have sufficient evidence to show reasonable suspicion. That means in most cases the test is much higher for "locking someone up" than in other parts of Europe.

We must however always be vigilant in protecting our freedoms but that also includes the freedom to enjoy our lives and limbs. That's why sometimes we have the difficult task of calculating the balance of convenience.

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O.M Riley,

03/04/2008 07:59:18
Mind you Michael, we can see that you can become confused between the words Yes and No. Take option 4 for example, it was Yes, then No. Then Option 5.Yes, No, Yes....It must be all that practice you have with old Gordon. Yes Mr Prime Minister Sir. No Mr Prime Minister Sir!
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John Storm,

clive vale 03/04/2008 08:28:21
You will vote with the whips because you always do what you are told.
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Darryl,

Hastings 03/04/2008 13:50:51
With this governments attitude to democracy and contempt for the rights of the majority the measure under question is open to serious abuse ! Already many authorities can tap your phone and look at your internet messages ...even the council, without going through the courts. We have more CCTV cameras than any other country in the world. We have a government that is effectively an elected dictatorship , and despite Michel Fosters contention of last week ..do not listen ..just rebuff.

The Terrorism Act has already been used to stop demonstrations and the free passage of coaches on the highway , which had nothing to do with Terrorism ! This was well documented in a recent film ..which surprise surprise did not make it to general cinema release. This government are not to be trusted !
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Darryl,

Hastings 03/04/2008 14:26:46
Well , didn’t really expect an answer from Michael on this one . ( My question of last week . See below ). I think we can all read between the lines! As Nick Perry intimated on his site, Labour and the Tories are very similar ; Foster went on about listening and communication last week on his , as did Amber a little earlier. Neither “walk the walk” but just “talk the talk” !

It’s a sad day for democracy that politicians could’nt care less about their constituents views. Without dialogue we have dictatorship. Well done Nick for having courtesy of addressing the issue.


MP’S EXPENSES :
The Euro MP’s committee has stated that EuroMP’s are to face a family jobs ban. Apparently many are using as a tax wheeze and other abuses.
I would like to ask each of the parliamentary candidates whether they support such measures being implemented in the UK ?
Michael Foster employs his wife as a secretary. Are you Michael prepared to match your pro- European credentials and push for the measure to be introduced in the UK ?
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parker,

03/04/2008 16:37:24
Most people are actually asking who are the Terrorists, Michael? There have been more human rights abuses from this New Labour Government than, practically any other supposed Democracy. The systems of surveillance and the erosion of our civil liberties and the curtailing of our freedom of speech are just some of the horrors that your Orwellian Government with its Marxists propaganda has inflicted on the people!
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O.M Riley,

03/04/2008 17:07:28
Photo opportunity.... Michael Foster doing a Frank Sinatra impression...Singing....''Fly me to the Moon''.
He's singing this song to the SS SeaSpace crew!!
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Darryl,

Hastings 03/04/2008 18:22:14

BRITAINS NEW POOR :

The new Office of National Statistics Report shows that Labour has overseen the creation of a " new poor" with two parent families and white schoolboys from deprived backgrounds amongst those faring the worst. This group are much worse off than when Labour came into power in 1997.

The New Labour experiment has been shown to be a total failure.

Get your pen out Michael and get a resignation letter off to Gordon Brown.

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bart simpson,

03/04/2008 18:38:49
I wonder just how 'Independent' these so called Magistrates are? Perhaps you can have a word with Mrs Smitty, your local new labour magistrate and failed councillor for Silverhill!
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Darryl,

Hastings 03/04/2008 18:42:17
Photo opportunity :

Following Amber's Saturday night walk through Hastings , Michael could go one better and walk throgh Hastingsswith Harriet Harmens New Labour uniform of a stab proof vest !

Some testament to Labour's record on crime !
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O.M Riley,

03/04/2008 19:02:58
highest incarceration rate for young people than in the whole of Europe.Under New Labour Government.

ASBOS and BASBOS New Labour Invention.... very poor intervention and prevention!

Loss of Sixth forms for many young people in the Town.
Lack of opportunities for many young people.
Pregnancy rate amongst young women- has risen. New Labour. Binge drinking.. spiralling out of proportion.
New Labour....... FOSTER OUT(and his disgraceful pals)
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