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42 Day Detention Right for Britain



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Published Date: 12 June 2008
I think Parliament made the right decision in yesterday's vote on the Counter Terrorism Bill by allowing, in exceptional circumstances, terrorist suspect to be detained for up to 42 days.
As the Home Affairs Committee concluded in its First Report of Session 2007-08, "the terrorist threat facing the UK is real and acute. Therefore any request made by the police authorities to extend the maximum period for which terrorist suspects can be held without charge has to be treated with great seriousness."

When it comes to the threat we face from terrorism, we cannot simply hope for the best. We must be in a position where we are prepared for the worst.

A lot has been said about this extension being an attack on Civil Liberties and I agree that in principle it is always wrong to lock people up without a very good reason and in all other circumstances 48 hours or exceptionally 7 days is the longest that one can hold a suspect without charge. However, in the case of terrorism offences that was agreed to be too short hence the detention limit for terrorist suspects was increased to 28 days in 2006.

Some of the opposition expressed in the run up to this vote, notably by the Tories, is opposition for oppositions sake. They have been trying to trip up the Government, playing politics basically, with the safety of the British people and I find that totally disgraceful.

The truth is, as emphasised by the Home Affairs Committee, Police and Security Services, that we face a serious and sustained threat from terrorism – The increasing complexity of terror plots means that investigators may reach a point where they need to hold terrorist suspects for longer than 28 days to gather evidence and build a case.

What we will now put in place is not a permanent, automatic or immediate extension to pre-charge detention beyond 28 days. Instead, we are creating a reserve power that could only be used in very exceptional circumstances, only with the support of the Director of Public Prosecutions, only with the backing of Parliament in a vote in both Houses, only subject to high judicial safeguards, and only for a temporary period before automatically lapsing. The Courts will supervise every stage of the process to ensure the 'exceptional circumstances' provision is met – only the most potentially dangerous suspects will ever be held beyond 28 days.

I would also like to emphasise the fact that even after these changes we still have, compared with other parts of Europe, a relatively short detention period and with the strictest judicial oversight possible. Take France and Spain for example, they have completely different systems to ours. In the UK we have an automatic right to access a lawyer, in France access to a solicitor can be withheld for up to 3 days. Also in France the phase of pre-trial detention can last for up to 4 years. In Spain a terrorist suspect can be held in preventative judicial custody for up to 4 years if the investigating judge considers there is sufficient evidence. The suspect is only entitled to legal advice on procedural matters and even then only for 13 days from the point of arrest. Unlike the UK in neither of the above examples is there a requirement to bring the suspect to trial.

On 19 January 2008 14 people were arrested in Barcelona on suspicion of plotting an attack. These individuals were held in preventative custody until being indicted on 5th June – 138 days detention without being charges.

The extension to a 42 day limit for exceptionally dangerous terrorists is absolutely the right decision for Britain and has support from all sectors of society including our Muslim community who want to be protected just like all other British people. All the recent faux critics should be ashamed of their political posturing.

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Nick Perry, Lib Dem parliamentary campaigner,

Hastings & Rye 12/06/2008 08:33:16
Shame on you Michael. Your dismissal of 'faux critics' of 42 day detention without charge is unworthy. Whilst the Government has scraped home by just 9 votes yesterday, there remains a compelling civil liberties argument against the measure. The Liberal Democrat position has been clear on this. We believe that 42 days without trial will radicalise extremists just as the illegal Iraq War has done. But don't take my (politicised) word for it. Please follow this link to an Open Democracy board, discussing the issues of detaining someone for 42 days without charge:

http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/2007/11/25/terrorist-suspects-can-be-charged/

It is a pity, but it is to be expected, that you do not give all the facts in this important debate.
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Darryl,

12/06/2008 08:55:31
So Michael says the Tories are trying to trip the government up. On all the recent occasions from what I see , the government is making a pretty good job at tripping itself up !

Our MP is clearly in favour of the 42 day detention. The same MP who backed the signing away of our sovereign rights to the EEC.

It is interesting that MI5 state that they do not need the 42 day detention period ….but what does the opinion of a mere intelligence service matter ? Clearly Gordon Brown and his cohorts know better. As Gordon Brown did when he sold gold at $300 which subsequently rose to over $1,000.

Yes it is an attack on civil liberties, and some muslim leaders are saying that it will make the terrorist problems worse as young muslims may feel even more alienated. We know from experience the recent terrorist legislation has resulted in councils and others using this legislation to spy on people. There was also a film recently released which showed abuses of police power in using the terrorist legislation to stop demonstrations which had nothing to do with politics or terror. How long will it be before we see cases of abuse of the 42 days detention ?

I’m glad Mr Foster has brought up the EEC practices. From what I read in the press the EEC is hankering after uniform legal systems/laws throughout the EEC. Lord Goldsmith ( Labour ) commented that this presents a big danger to the English legal principle of the presumption of innocence until proved guilty ..and effectively inverts this. And don’t forget that in some countries you may be kept in jail for six months without charge. That’s what this government has signed up to !
The shame is on this government and Michael’s political posturing , not the other political parties. Our lives were put at risk as soon as the illegal war in Iraq commenced , which served as a rallying cry for the extremists. It has also saved to drain billions from our taxes …money which could have been spent on worthy causes. Than
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Darryl,

Hastings 12/06/2008 08:56:59
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Thanks a million Mr Foster !
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Darryl,

Hastings 12/06/2008 09:02:44

Well said Nick ! Thanks for the link.

Unfortunately Michael will always follow the party line irrespective of the facts.



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Fidel,

Havana 12/06/2008 11:03:23
'Unfortunately Michael will always follow the party line irrespective of the facts.' - Darryl that simply isn't true look at www.theyworkforyou.com, but we know you are a tory boy.
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bart simpson,

12/06/2008 13:46:22
The New Labour Government is probably the worst Democratic Government for eroding peoples civil liberties and freedoms.
Michael Foster will always follow the party line, despite the consequences. New Labour,locally, have this system, whereby they nominate candidates to stand for election on the basis, that they must always obey their leader and never question the facts.
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Darryl,

12/06/2008 14:26:03
So Michael says the Tories are trying to trip the government up. On all the recent occasions from what I see , the government is making a pretty good job at tripping itself up !

Our MP is clearly in favour of the 42 day detention. The same MP who backed the signing away of our sovereign rights to the EEC.

It is interesting that MI5 state that they do not need the 42 day detention period ….but what does the opinion of a mere intelligence service matter ? Clearly Gordon Brown and his cohorts know better. As Gordon Brown did when he sold gold at $300 which subsequently rose to over $1,000.

Yes it is an attack on civil liberties, and some muslim leaders are saying that it will make the terrorist problems worse as young muslims may feel even more alienated. We know from experience the recent terrorist legislation has resulted in councils and others using this legislation to spy on people. There was also a film recently released which showed abuses of police power in using the terrorist legislation to stop demonstrations which had nothing to do with politics or terror. How long will it be before we see cases of abuse of the 42 days detention.

I’m glad Mr Foster has brought up the EEC practices. From what I read in the press the EEC is hankering after uniform legal systems/laws throughout the EEC. Lord Goldsmith ( Labour ) commented that this presents a big danger to the English legal principle of the presumption of innocence until proved guilty ..and effectively inverts this. And don’t forget that in some countries you may be kept in jail for six months without charge. That’s what this government has signed up to.

The shame is on this government and Michael’s political posturing , not the other political parties. Our lives were put at risk as soon as the illegal war in Iraq commenced , which served as a rallying cry for the extremists. It has also saved to drain billions from our taxes …money which could have been spent on worthy causes. Than
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Darryl,

Hastings 12/06/2008 14:27:03
CONTD :

Thanks a million Michael.
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Darryl,

Hastings 12/06/2008 14:42:41
Something Michael didn’t write about :

Unemployment has risen at its fastest rate for 2 years , with economists warning of thousands more job losses later this years as the economy worsens. All this despite Gordon Brown’s assertion that he has abolished economic cycles !

The number of people out of work rose by 38,000 to 1.64 million between February and April.

Expect more of the same over the next few months !
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Darryl,

Hastings 12/06/2008 15:12:16
So Michael says the Tories are trying to trip the government up. On all the recent occasions from what I see , the government is making a pretty good job at tripping itself up !

Our MP is clearly in favour of the 42 day detention. The same MP who backed the signing away of our sovereign rights to the EEC.

It is interesting that MI5 state that they do not need the 42 day detention period ….but what does the opinion of a mere intelligence service matter ? Clearly Gordon Brown and his cohorts know better. As Gordon Brown did when he sold gold at $300 which subsequently rose to over $1,000.

Yes it is an attack on civil liberties, and some muslim leaders are saying that it will make the terrorist problems worse as young muslims may feel even more alienated. We know from experience the recent terrorist legislation has resulted in councils and others using this legislation to spy on people. There was also a film recently released which showed abuses of police power in using the terrorist legislation to stop demonstrations which had nothing to do with politics or terror. How long will it be before we see cases of abuse of the 42 days detention.

I’m glad Mr Foster has brought up the EEC practices. From what I read in the press the EEC is hankering after uniform legal systems/laws throughout the EEC. Lord Goldsmith ( Labour ) commented that this presents a big danger to the English legal principle of the presumption of innocence until proved guilty ..and effectively inverts this. And don’t forget that in some countries you may be kept in jail for six months without charge. That’s what this government has signed up to.

The shame is on this government and Michael’s political posturing , not the other political parties. Our lives were put at risk as soon as the illegal war in Iraq commenced , which served as a rallying cry for the extremists. It has also saved to drain billions from our taxes …money which could have been spent on worthy causes. Than
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